11 | Living your Best Life with Marissa Rehder

From feeling lost and overwhelmed to living her absolute best life, Marissa Rehder from The Self-Care Haven gets sooooo real in this chat about how taking leaps of faith is allowing her to live her dreams!

Marissa Rehder is a former teacher who found a love for supporting other teachers throughout her own process of self discovery. On the verge of burnout and being ready to leave the profession, it was then that she decided that there had to be a way to overcome the intense feelings and stress being a teacher was creating. Throughout the next two years, she was determined to create a "Happy Life Framework" that would benefit more women than just herself.

It was throughout this journey that The Self Care Haven was developed, which is an online community where women can come for support and personal development. Marissa has also started coaching women on how to create the life they have always dreamed of through the process of discovering the best version of themselves.

In this episode, we chat all about Marissa's journey from burnt out and stressed teacher to living her best life as an entrepreneur.  Marissa has sold on TPT, created an app and now coaches other women and she is so passionate about helping teachers get the self-care they need and deserve.  When she puts her mind to something, there's no stopping her!

I hope you enjoy this chat as much as I did!

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Instagram: @marissa.rehder
Website: www.marissarehder.com

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Jenzaia: Today, I am speaking with Marissa Rehder from The Self Care Haven. She is a former teacher who found a love for supporting other teachers throughout her own process of self-discovery. On the verge of burnout and being ready to leave the profession, it was then that Marissa decided that there had to be a way to overcome the intense feelings and stress of being a teacher. Throughout the next two years, she was determined to create a happy life framework that would benefit more women than just herself. Throughout this journey, The Self Care Haven was developed. It is an online community where women come for support and personal development. Marissa has also started coaching women on how to create the life they've always dreamed of through the process of discovering the best version of themselves. Marissa is actually a client of mine, and I love working with her. We had such a good time laughing and chatting for this interview. So I really hope that you feel inspired by Marissa and that you love the story of her journey as much as I do. So let's jump in.

Jenzaia: Okay. Welcome to the podcast, Marissa, how are you today?

Marissa: I am fantastic. Thank you so much for having me.

Jenzaia: I'm so glad that we get to have this chat. Do you want to start out by telling people who you are, where you're from, what you do?

Marissa: Absolutely. So I am Marissa Rehder. I am a farm wife from Northwest Iowa and I am also a former teacher turned business owner, and we're just kind of living our best life in the middle of nowhere.

Jenzaia: I love that. I wish I lived in the middle of nowhere. I keep trying to convince my husband that we should move. So you're not in the classroom anymore, right?

Marissa: I left the classroom a few weeks before school started this year.

Jenzaia: What did you teach before?

Marissa: I taught kindergarten and first grade in a multi-aged room, for a number of years. I dabbled in interventions for a year and then went back to a full-on just kindergarten, straight kindergarten class for my last year in the classroom.

Jenzaia: I love kindergarten. There's so cute.

Marissa: Yeah, they are. They're just all little babies. By the end of the year, you're just like, they've grown so much. I know it's like that with every grade, but there is something about how tiny they are when they come in as kindergarteners to them leaving and it just melts my heart to think of how much growth they see that year.

Jenzaia: So did you start your teacherpreneur journey before leaving the classroom or after?

Marissa: I did start it before. I was a mom of two under the age of two. They were about 16 and a half months apart and planned that way actually. I might be insane, but I also taught kindergarten. So I figured if I do 25 of them all day, like what's two more at home. That was literally my thought process, and I couldn't have been more wrong. It was insane, but I just found myself in this place where I was just kind of lost. I was a mom, I was a wife and I was a teacher, but what else was I? I didn't have anything that was just for me. I showed up every day at school and gave my best for my students, and I would come home and give my best for my kids until bedtime, and then what? I just felt like I was losing myself. So a coworker of mine was like, "Hey, did you see that people are starting to blog about teaching and they're creating these online stores and selling resources?" I was like, "no, I had no idea." She encouraged me to dabble in it, and I've never told anyone this before, but she mentioned that to me on a Thursday, and on Saturday I bought my domain and started a Teachers Pay Teachers store. I just went all in!

Jenzaia: That's so you though. Knowing you, going all-in is... yeah. That is you in a nutshell.

Marissa: Oh gosh. But I don't always know if that's a good thing or not, but in this instance it was. It was very much a hobby at first. Just like any other adventure that you go on, it was a lot of trials and looking at what other people were doing and trying to mimic it because no one was really teaching you how to do it at that point yet. There weren't any courses. There weren't memberships. There was nothing to aid me in it. Everybody just kept telling me, "oh, go to the conference, you'll meet other people, you'll make connections" and things like that. So, I kind of fell off the wagon here and there. I would work really hard at it for two or three months, and then all of a sudden it'd be like three months would go by and I'd be like, "oh my gosh, I have a business!" It wasn't really a business. It was still a hobby at that point. But I kept teaching. Eventually, I got to the point about a year and a half into my journey of 'hobby-ness' that I was like, you know what? I love teaching. But it came down to the fact that I really loved the feeling I got from teaching. It wasn't necessarily the teaching itself. The system is very broken in my opinion, and I just wasn't seeing myself doing that for the next 30 years. I just had no desire to stay in a classroom for that long, but I also didn't really want to be an administrator or anything else either. I just had this overwhelming desire to do it my way. That won't surprise people either that know me that I say that because I've kind of been that way my whole life. I want to do it my way. It can be a huge character flaw, but I've learned to harness it in a positive way. It has led me to have the business that I have today and allowed me to eventually leave teaching and pursue my dreams, which is really exciting.

Jenzaia: Yeah. That is really exciting. I'm really happy for you that you're here and you've manifested your life because I know it's a huge shift that we're going to talk about. How has it changed since you started that Teachers Pay Teachers store to where you are today?

Marissa: Absolutely. So when I started my Teachers Pay Teachers store, we kind of talked about this before we started recording, but I was in my doctor's office telling him, "I have insane anxiety and I don't think it's just normal motherhood anxiety. All new moms are nervous and we've just added a new baby" and all these things. And he was like, "well, tell me a little bit about it." I think I spoke two sentences and he was like, "you're suffering from postpartum anxiety." It was at that exact same time that I was starting my Teachers Pay Teachers store. It's all kind of a blur when I look back on it now. I was in a place where I couldn't even, I don't even remember. I don't remember having fun with my kids. I don't remember playing with my kids. The very first memory I have of doing something fun with my kids was buying my website and setting it up while my six-month-old played next to me. That was when clarity started coming and it came in the form of this teacherpreneur business. I had no idea what an impact it was going to make. It led me on a personal development journey like none other. So my youngest, she was six months when it started. She's four now, I guess she's my middle kid now. She's not even my youngest. She was my youngest at the time, but she is four now. So in three and a half years, which seems like kind of a long time, but it really isn't, I've gone from being stressed out, anxious all the time, not even remembering memories with my kids, which is heartbreaking. But now all of a sudden, we are literally living our best life like you said. I am working from home. My kids are downstairs currently playing with our nanny in the basement and in between my things, I go down and I play with them. I got to play three games of Yahtzee with my middle girl this morning before our day even started because that's the life that we've built now. It all stemmed from this teacher business that I created, which is amazing. I just love it. I recommend it to everybody. Everybody should do this. If you're a teacher and you're not happy with what you're doing, but you love the feeling that you get from helping others, this could be it for you. It could change your life.

Jenzaia: Absolutely. Your business has grown from just a TPT store. So what else do you do?

Marissa: Absolutely. So, I deemed the last year, my last year of teaching in about October. I set the goal that I was going to be done. I originally had a five-year plan, and I was on year two of it. There was just something inside me that was like, this is going to be it. This is going to be my last year in the classroom. This is pre-pandemic. I mean, this was before we knew any crazy was going to go on. So I started thinking, what do teachers really need? Well, I can't really change the system on my own. I can make efforts to do it, but that's a long-term thing. What can I do right now to help teachers? So I started by creating a mobile app and a course that really focused on helping teachers take care of themselves and their mental health. Teachers that were finding themselves in the same place I was, I wanted to, in turn, help them with it. So I started with that and grew into a membership, a coaching business. So now a lot of my clients are teachers, but now I'm a life coach and focused on all sorts of things, but mainly self-care and creating a lifestyle for people out of self-care, instead of it just being random activities like society tells us it is. It's so much more than that. Yeah, so it's crazy. I started making math activities for teachers to use in their classrooms. Now, I mean, we're talking in like a year and a half, this has all gone down. It has progressed that quickly, which is so cool when you think about it.

Jenzaia: I don't think I know anyone else, well maybe I do and they just don't tell me about it, that has an app though. So can you tell us more about your app?

Marissa: Yes, absolutely. So when I started, I was not drinking any water because let's go there, teachers don't have time to pee, so I wasn't drinking water. I was not being mindful. I didn't even remember parts of my kids' childhood, their first couple of years of life, because I was just so frazzled all the time. So I started using mindfulness apps. I started using an app that tracked my water. I don't want to throw them under the bus, so I'm not gonna say their name, but if you track it and it would get angry at you if you tracked more than eight ounces at a time. It would be like, "whoa, you're drinking too much at once." I was like, I'm a teacher. This is just when I'm tracking it. I drank it all day, you know? So I was like, gosh, dang. It was counterproductive. It wasn't really helping me. I found a lot of apps like that. They were too robust. They had too many options. I was paying $50 a year for this one and I was paying $10 a year for this one and $5 a month for this one and whatever else. I just got really frustrated that I was not able to use them appropriately and to the max capacity because there were too many of them. I just wanted something that was going to help me plan my day, track my stuff, and help me be mindful, and possibly serve as a note-taking app or a journal all in one place so I didn't have to go to all seven or eight apps that I was currently using on my phone. So I searched and I searched and there was nothing, absolutely nothing. So I went to bed that night and at three in the morning, I shook my husband, who I think suffers from narcolepsy. So waking him up is not an easy thing. The fact that I will come up in the middle of the night is insanity. I'm surprised he even woke up. He was like, "what is the matter?" He thought I was dying. I was like, "no, I have this idea. I'm going to create a mobile app that does all of these things that are frustrating me right now." He was like, "I'm sure that's already out there." "No, I just spent the last three hours researching and there's nothing. I can't find a single one that does everything that I want it to. He was like, "okay, well you work on that."

Jenzaia: That sounds like such a husband thing. Like, "okay, I'm going back to sleep now."

Marissa: Exactly. But he knew the next morning when he woke up and he was like, "so what's this going to cost?" and I was like, "I don't know yet. I haven't done the research." Within two weeks I'd hired a tech company and I was on my way to meet with them. It was an eight-hour drive and we got in the car, we drove down there. We left my kids with my parents and he dropped me off at this tech company. I went in and I said, "this is what I want to do" and they said, "okay, when do you want to start?" "Right now." Five months later, the pandemic hit, and I had an app that allowed me to track all the things and do all this stuff that I wanted it to. Give me my daily affirmations. It does all the things. It was just amazing. It was a fun process. It's still evolving, but it's a good starting place anyway.

Jenzaia: Yeah. Nice. That's so exciting. As I said, I don't think I know anyone else who has an app and that's so cool that you just, "I want to do this and it's going to do these things and it's happening. We're doing it right now".

Marissa: Yes. I spent the first week of it trying to convince the tech guy at work that he should learn to create an app so that I could just pay him to do it. He was like, "I don't have the skills for this."

Jenzaia: You mean the tech guy at school?

Marissa: Yeah!

Jenzaia: I love that.

Marissa: "Can't you just quickly learn to code?" He's like, "no, I can't learn to code." I'm like, "you teach my kindergartners how to do it." He's like, "on an app that does it for me."

Jenzaia: I love this.

Marissa: This is how my brain functions, you guys. You're going to leave this podcast episode being like, this woman is insane, but I just don't know how to take no for an answer. That's all. I get an idea. I have really good intuition and really good common sense. So if it feels good and I just get these feelings, and my husband has learned to trust them. He thought I was crazy the first few times. When I quit my teaching job, I was like, "you just have to trust me." I said, "I have this feeling." Or when I would spend money on my business, "trust me, I have this feeling" and every time it worked out the way it needed to. So now he's just slowly learned to trust me. But I also have anxiety, as we talked about. I have this innate thing where, when I taught, it looked like I was flying by the seat of my pants. The teacher across the hall kept telling me, "gosh, how do you do it?" "I don't know." Three years into us co-teaching or teaching together, she was like, "I know how you do it." She's like, "you've thought about every possible thing that could go wrong already in your brain before you do something. So you can just move to the next thing." She's like, "it's how your brain works." So I think that's it. I think my anxiety, I turned it into a superpower.

Jenzaia: That's a really interesting way to look at it because my brain does the same thing. These are all the possible things that could go wrong. Then when this scenario happens, because eventually one of the things I think about will happen, it's just probability. Right? So, but when it happens, well, I've already thought about the seven steps that need to happen after that happens. I've never thought of it as a superpower before.

Marissa: It's a superpower. I think we need to normalize that because we can't be the only ones that have anxiety.

Jenzaia: No, no way. There's no way. It's not just the two of us. I have to say too, though that yes, your intuition and yes, you have these feelings, but you also, because Marissa and I work together, so you also have a drive and a really strong work ethic that follows up on those intuitions. So when something isn't working the way that you want it to, you go into action right away and you make the changes that need to happen and you follow through on what you're doing. So it's not like you're just sitting there like, "oh, I feel like it's going to work." You put in the work and the effort and the drive... you have that drive behind it. You need to give yourself credit for that, too.

Marissa: Well, thank you. I just forget that, you know what I mean? For me, it's just normal. I'm married to a farmer. Let's go there. He's one of the hardest-working people I have ever met. And so I am lazy compared to him, you know what I mean? So it just seems normal to me. So I tend to forget that sometimes.

Jenzaia: Fair enough. Fair enough. So beyond the app, how else do you help teachers who are feeling that burnout and overwhelm?

Marissa: Yes, absolutely. So I have a membership and the membership really focuses on teaching them to make themselves a priority, finding their best self, identifying who that is, how to get there, and then what steps they need to put in place to become that person or to keep getting... and it's not like an overnight thing. It's not like, oh, I want to be this person tomorrow. I'm going to wake up and I'm going to be her. It's the mindset that, yes, I have the ability to do that. But it's also knowing that you only have to get 1% better each day. And just moving along that direction, as long as you're putting one foot in front of the other each day. So I have just built this framework that allows teachers to still show up in the classroom and be the best teacher that they can be, but also show up for themselves and their families and the other people that they love. There's a guy I follow on Instagram. His name is Brock Johnson. He's an Instagram marketing guru. This wasn't his original idea, but this is where I learned it from... He has a one-inch by one-inch paper inside his pocket that he literally laminated with packing tape, but it's got the names of the people on it that are most important to him in his day. So if it's not their opinion, he doesn't let it bother him. If it's something that's going to come in the way of him showing up for the people on that paper, then it's not important. Not that it's not important, but he has his values on this one-inch by one-inch paper that really allows him to inform his decisions of what he's going to do each day. If it's not his fiance, if it's not his parents, if it's not his sister that are on his paper, then he knows that it's okay to say no. It's okay to set boundaries with it and different things like that. So just allowing teachers to do that same thing because a lot of teachers that I work with are building their own businesses on top of growing their families, they're growing their businesses and they're trying to navigate teaching in a crazy world that we're living in currently. That's enough to break a person. I mean, quite honestly, there would be no shame in just being like, I can't do it anymore. But giving women the tools to show up for themselves is allowing them to do all of these things at once. I look back on the last year- I was developing an app. I was creating a course. I was teaching full-time in a global pandemic from my kitchen with zero help because you couldn't bring anybody into your house to watch your kids. I had three kids under the age of four while I was teaching kindergarten from home. And my husband was farming because farming didn't shut down. Let's go there. He works with cattle. We weren't worried about COVID with them. So I was doing all of that and I was in the best place of my life. I was the calmest I'd ever been. I was the happiest I had been. It was because I had this solid framework that I continued to use every day. So that's what I help teachers with because I think that that's important that they have that foundation. It's not just random activities here and there that are gonna make them feel good in the short term. It's how do I create a lifestyle out of it?

Jenzaia: Absolutely. I, going back just a little bit, love the idea of that piece of paper,

Marissa: Right? I was mind blown by it. That's genius.

Jenzaia: You can absolutely, in most cases I would say, write the most important people are the most important things in your life on just that tiny little piece of paper and just everything needs to come through that filter. Yeah.

Marissa: Yes, exactly. That was one of those earth-shattering like something so simple can make such a huge impact on your life.

Jenzaia: I don't want you to give away obviously all of your secrets, but how do you juggle everything? What would be like your number one tip of keeping your life balance with everything?

Marissa: Yes. So, I am actually talking about that on my podcast this week, which is amazing. So I will share the same three tips with your audiences I did with mine. There are three things to creating a lifestyle out of self-care. The first one is that you need to identify your core desired feelings or your values. You need to know who you are and what's important to you before you can even start the journey. So for me, when I talk about core desired feelings, because I don't feel like that's something that a lot of people have heard of, but that's how you want to feel at the end of each day. So for me, I want to feel calm and at peace, I want to feel like I loved and was loved by the people who are most important to me in my life, that I showed up for my clients because that's important to me that I show up and respect and have humility for them and integrity and things in my business. So I want to feel like I did that every day. There's just a few others that I want to feel, but I've had to identify that because then my decisions all day long, oh, and I want to feel productive. That's another one that I really need to throw out there because I started making my bed after I identified my core desired feelings because that makes me feel productive right away when I start my day. So there you go. I mean, something as simple as that, not only makes me feel better every time I walk in my room throughout the day, but it also gives me that desired feeling that I want to feel at the end of the day to start my day. So, same with playing a game with my kid this morning. I want her to feel loved by me and I want to feel loved by her at the end of every day. So starting our day with three board games was just what we needed today. You can base your decisions on how you want to feel at the end of the day. If it's going to cause you to be overwhelmed when you go to bed, set a boundary. That's the next thing is you have to be able to set boundaries. You have to be able to say, "no", you have to protect your time, your energy, and your space. It's not selfish. It is something where our society has glorified being busy and go, go, going, and being able to do it all and be it all. A lot of people look at my life and think, gosh, she does everything. How does she manage it all? I have cut out volunteering at my church in their tech department in the last year. I have cut out doing all sorts of things. Do you know what I mean? If it wasn't in alignment with how I wanted to feel at the end of the day and my values and it wasn't a permanent "I'm done doing this." This is where I'm at right now. I can't handle it anymore. When I can I'll come back, and that's okay too. That's a boundary that you're okay to set. Then the last thing is that you have to schedule it. Self-care goes out the door. It's the first thing to go. I don't have time. I already have the to-do list that's not getting done. Why would I add this to my plate? But if you schedule it in. So like one of my clients right now, I've been using her as an example a lot lately, but she's focusing on her nightly routine. The purpose of her nightly routine is to make her morning self happy. So what she does at night sets her morning up for success. She picks out her clothes. She makes sure that her lunch is already packed. She's got five kids and she's a teacher. Mornings, I can only imagine, are hectic. So her PM routine isn't even just journaling and meditating and doing all these things. It doesn't have to be that it can be things that you're already going to do. You just do it in a strategic way and have it scheduled into your day, so that in the morning, you're not throwing in bags of chips and processed fruit snacks, because that's all you had time to grab. If you did it the night before, you can set yourself up for success the next day. You can have your water bottle filled. You can have healthy snacks in your lunch box. It's just a different approach to things you're already doing. So it doesn't add to your to-do list. It just is going about it in a different way.

Jenzaia: Awesome. Those are so helpful. I love the idea of setting your morning up for success because I always feel like my mornings are a little bit more hectic than I would like them to be. So I'm going to start to think through how I can implement that in my life.

Marissa: Right? Well, and that was always my thing too. I would wake up, I would rush to get ready and rush to get the kids in the car. I'd rush to get to work. We'd be going in the door of the school at eight o'clock when I had to be there. I was rushing to prepare for when my kids got there. Once I started putting solid systems and routines and schedules in place, it completely changed the dynamic of my entire day because I was no longer letting life dictate what I was doing. I was able to be more reactive, or I was able to be more prepared and not just reactive because I had taken care of some of that stuff prior to that day even starting

Jenzaia: The thing I've noticed too with kids, I guess maybe I lived 30 some odd years of my life without kids and now I've only lived two years with kids, but everything takes so much longer with them. So I think, okay, well we have to be at the appointment by 10 o'clock. It takes 15 minutes to drive there. So at 22, I'll start getting ready. But then the kids, it takes 15 minutes to get them out of the door and then we're rushing and we're late. Right? So I have that struggle that I'm still trying to figure out of how long it actually takes to get kids ready and my mind and my body haven't adjusted to that. So taking care of some of the things the night before would help with that franticness of getting out the door and figuring things out. Forget that kids just take forever!

Marissa: Yes, no. It took my husband and me a long time to adjust to that too. He's constantly, he's notorious for coming in the door 15 minutes before we need to leave for somewhere and he still has to shower and get ready himself, and I'm still trying to get three kids out the door and get the diaper bag packed and all this stuff. So I found that if I just did that ahead of time, you know, the night before church or whatever it is that we were planning on doing the next day, then it made the transition to the car a little...

Jenzaia: One less thing.

Marissa: Yeah.

Jenzaia: So coming back to the focus of my podcast is marketing.

Marissa: Yes.

Jenzaia: How are you currently marketing your business?

Marissa: Oh my gosh. That's a great question. So right away, marketing was the hardest thing for me actually. That is not in my wheelhouse at all. I don't, I'm not salesy, you know what I mean? My brain doesn't work in a sales kind of way, even. I buy stuff all the time. I'm a good consumer, but I'm not the best at marketing stuff. No, I really am. So I started off with just trying to build connections, building relationships with other people that I knew were doing well with their marketing strategy, because then I could start to learn from them. Then as I learned things, I started holding webinars and video series and things like that. We don't like to use the word webinar anymore, but workshops and things like that that allowed me to build some 'street cred' in the business world. Then once I had that going for me, then we've started to market smaller products of mine and run some Facebook ads. The Facebook ads have been amazing for me. There are a lot of people that will be like, "grow organically. You can do it. It's fine." And I'm like, "it's really hard work though". It's really hard work. So I do all of those strategies as well to continue to grow organically. I don't rely solely on Facebook ads, but that has been a huge game-changer for me and my business and I'm growing my opt-in. I mean, gosh, I just think I would go months with two or three people signing up for my opt-in when I was just running off Pinterest pins and verbal communication and marketing that way. Once I started running Facebook ads, we're I think like 300 or more leads a month, which is awesome, and we're running a fairly low-budget Facebook ad, you know? So it's been really an interesting growth process for me. I feel like I'm learning a lot, but just focusing on building relationships with your consumers and with your peers that you look up to and learning from them and their strategies. I've found really good success with marketing low-ticket items that lead people into the bigger funnel, like just having an actual sales funnel. People use that word all the time and I'm like, "I don't know what that means. I don't know what to have in my funnel." But basically it's a roadmap, like how to get your people from doing your free opt-in to your higher ticket items and working them all the way through, building that relationship as you go. So that's my main marketing strategy right now is just focusing on giving good content and good value and using you along the way.

Jenzaia: You mentioned a couple of things that are so important. The relationships are... You can pour all of your time, energy, money into your marketing, but if you don't build those relationships, then it will all crumble eventually. So that is a huge part. Then the other piece is the time versus money. The way that the algorithms function is there hits a point in most people's business where the organic reach starts to slow down and it gets really hard and you can continue going for sure, but just the way that the algorithms are today, it has almost become a pay to play model that they're trying to encourage once you've hit a certain point. I, as a marketing strategist, would not encourage people to start paying before they've hit that point. Definitely do your organic reach, but once you've hit your max with the organic, it can be really amazing what happens, as you have shown with your small tickets and your lead magnets, everything. Yeah. You've also done a lot of Pinterest work, right?

Marissa: I have done a lot of Pinterest work. Just pinning my podcast episodes on there. I pinned my 'work with me' page my blog posts, just trying to generate as much traffic as I can that way. Honestly, I don't see a ton of traffic yet from that. I had a quiz that really took off on there. People are loving quizzes that give you your ideal self-care type. That one went crazy on Pinterest for a while. I kind of dabbled in things, but once you find something that works, just stick with it. That's my number one strategy. If it's not broken, don't fix it. Just ride it out.

Jenzaia: Definitely good advice. Are there any other pieces of your business that we haven't touched and you would like to share with the audience?

Marissa: Oh my gosh. No. I think we've kind of talked about it all.

Jenzaia: Okay, then rapid fire. What's your favourite social media platform?

Marissa: Ooh, Instagram.

Jenzaia: Your favourite tool or software that you use in your business or app if you want?

Marissa: Ooh. I honestly, I really like Kajabi.

Jenzaia: Oh, I haven't got that one before.

Marissa: Yeah. It just makes it so easy to house everything all in one place. Yup. It's just user-friendly. I just like it.

Jenzaia: Absolutely. Then what piece of advice would you give to someone who's just starting their journey?

Marissa: Don't give up. It's slow and it's a marathon, not a sprint. I guarantee you, the people that you see that exploded overnight, didn't actually explode overnight. You're going to hear a lot of stories of people that went from making $30 a month to making $3,000 a month, or they went from making $5,000 a month to $10,000. You're going to hear all these stories, but the key to all of those success stories is that they started from the same place you did. They didn't give up when things didn't go right or a bump in the road came. Just keep going. If you are willing to put in the work, success will find you. You just have to pivot and keep going.

Jenzaia: I love that. Well, thank you so much for joining me on the podcast. If people would like to find you, where can they go?

Marissa: You can find me at marissarehder.com or on Instagram @marissa.rehder. That's mainly where I hang out.

Jenzaia: Awesome. I will make sure your app and your website and your Instagram, everything is linked in the show notes. So thanks again for being on.

Marissa: Awesome. Thank you so much for having me!

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